barefootguru Posted December 24, 2016 Report Share Posted December 24, 2016 Cachly doesn't display the radius around letterbox caches. I can understand not displaying the radius around the original coords of mysteries, etc., but aren't letterboxes always at the given location and subject to proximity rules? Nic Hubbard 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nic Hubbard Posted December 25, 2016 Report Share Posted December 25, 2016 I will make sure to get this added in our next version. barefootguru 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZeppelinDT Posted December 26, 2016 Report Share Posted December 26, 2016 Letterboxes are not necessarily at the given location. A "true" letterbox usually requires following some set of instructions to find the final cache location. A letterbox hybrid can be set up either like a traditional geocache (where its hidden at the given location) or it can be set up like a traditional letterbox (where its NOT hidden at the given location). You can't really tell which way any given letterbox is hidden without reading the description. AnyMules and Nic Hubbard 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nic Hubbard Posted December 26, 2016 Report Share Posted December 26, 2016 4 hours ago, ZeppelinDT said: Letterboxes are not necessarily at the given location. A "true" letterbox usually requires following some set of instructions to find the final cache location. A letterbox hybrid can be set up either like a traditional geocache (where its hidden at the given location) or it can be set up like a traditional letterbox (where its NOT hidden at the given location). You can't really tell which way any given letterbox is hidden without reading the description. Thanks for the input. I think we will keep it as is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barefootguru Posted December 26, 2016 Author Report Share Posted December 26, 2016 12 hours ago, ZeppelinDT said: Letterboxes are not necessarily at the given location. A "true" letterbox usually requires following some set of instructions to find the final cache location. A letterbox hybrid can be set up either like a traditional geocache (where its hidden at the given location) or it can be set up like a traditional letterbox (where its NOT hidden at the given location). You can't really tell which way any given letterbox is hidden without reading the description. All the letterbox caches down here are at the given coords, and from my Google (well, DuckDuckGo), that's always the case: you can go directly to the cache from the coords on geocaching.com, or from the clues provided on a letterboxing site. http://forums.groundspeak.com/GC/index.php?showtopic=153242 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZeppelinDT Posted December 26, 2016 Report Share Posted December 26, 2016 Hmm... maybe there are different norms in different parts of the world? I know for sure that when you're hiding a letterbox you're not required to place it at the given coordinates. I've only found about 30 letterboxes myself, but I would say about 2/3 of those are structured like "traditional" caches, where the physical hide is at the given coordinates, and about 1/3 are more like pure letterboxes, where you have to follow instructions. A couple of examples of the latter: https://coord.info/GC5ZCHQ https://coord.info/GC165Z7 https://coord.info/GC2PYXV https://coord.info/GC5P6BY https://coord.info/GC1XG14 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnyMules Posted December 26, 2016 Report Share Posted December 26, 2016 We have a good mix of both types in Australia. Some where there are letterboxes at the listed coordinate, and others where a projection or other calculation is needed in The state of South Australia they are more the first type, in the state of Victoria, they are more the 2nd. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barefootguru Posted December 27, 2016 Author Report Share Posted December 27, 2016 It's not completely clear, but it sounds like having clues from the posted coords to the final is allowed… as long as you supply actual coords with the clues: Quote Letterbox-style clues may be used to guide seekers to the container, but only if the clues are accompanied by coordinates specific to the hide. https://www.geocaching.com/about/guidelines.aspx God knows how reviewers handle proximity for them. Sounds like would be misleading for Cachly to both display and not display a radius, and probably best / less wrong to leave as is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZeppelinDT Posted December 27, 2016 Report Share Posted December 27, 2016 8 hours ago, barefootguru said: It's not completely clear, but it sounds like having clues from the posted coords to the final is allowed… as long as you supply actual coords with the clues: https://www.geocaching.com/about/guidelines.aspx God knows how reviewers handle proximity for them. Sounds like would be misleading for Cachly to both display and not display a radius, and probably best / less wrong to leave as is. What that essentially means is that you have to supply coordinates that somehow relate to finding the cache (but it does not necessarily mean that you have to provide the coordinates to the final physical container). In other words, some sort of GPS navigation must be used. So, for example, you can't just place the pin randomly and then say something like "Go to X Park and find the large oak tree, then starting from that oak tree go 100 feet north, then turn left, etc....". Instead, you'd have to actually add the coordinates to that tree and require using the GPS to navigate to that tree and go from there. One of the core rules of caching is that every cache has to include some sort of GPS navigation at some point in the process. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hidegoseek Posted December 27, 2016 Report Share Posted December 27, 2016 9 hours ago, barefootguru said: God knows how reviewers handle proximity for them. The reviewers handle letterbox-hybrids the same as mystery caches. They know where the final is, and if one tries to hide a cache within 528 feet the reviewer will send back a note saying your location is too close to another cache, but they won't tell you where it is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barefootguru Posted December 27, 2016 Author Report Share Posted December 27, 2016 Cachly could display the radius if a letterbox has corrected coordinates then (same as mystery and multi)… does that work? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZeppelinDT Posted December 27, 2016 Report Share Posted December 27, 2016 1 hour ago, barefootguru said: Cachly could display the radius if a letterbox has corrected coordinates then (same as mystery and multi)… does that work? I'm not sure how practical that would be, primarily because in most cases with letterbox hybrids you don't actually end up with corrected coordinates. With mystery and multi caches, the final answer is usually just a set of coordinates that you plug in, but with letterboxes you're usually just following instructions, so unless you get to the final, take your own coordinate reading with your device at GZ, and then add in those coords, you're not likely to actually get corrected coordinates. Nic Hubbard 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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